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Interview with Manon

Manon and I owe our friendship to Mark Kozelek of Red House Painters and Sun Kil Moon fame.

Years ago (it’s actually been almost ten years now) I did an interview with Mr. Kozelek for an online zine I helped run. Manon emailed me and told me that she liked it and we struck up a correspondence that has lasted o’er these many years. And after way too many years we finally were able to spend time together in Ottawa and again recently in Montreal. I am happy to report that she is just as sweet in person as she was for all those years via our many emails, phone calls and letters.

Manon sent me this picture of herself many, many years ago.

What’s the worst experience you’ve ever had on drugs?

I was 19 and I was a bit of a raver. I was at a rave in Montreal and I’d never tried mushrooms before and I had taken a little bit and didn’t feel anything. So, then I took more. That was a big mistake. I remember I had met this guy and I had taken this second dose of mushrooms and was waiting for something to happen. Then, all the sudden I realized I was in it and to me it sounds like this guy is asking me the same question over and over again which is making me feel kind of crazy. I couldn’t tell if it was him or if it was me. I started feeling claustrophobic and I had no focus or control.

So I left with some of my friends who were also high and all I remember is this feeling of craziness. I don’t know if that’s how crazy people feel permanently and if they do then my sympathies because it feels awful. I was sitting in this diner and people were ordering fries and I didn’t understand. I couldn’t even open my mouth. What was most frightening about it was that it was never-ending. It was a feeling that wasn’t passing. It felt like I was caught in a state of being and I couldn’t get out of it.

So, when it comes to feeling frenzied or anxious (and not related to being on drugs), what calms you down?

There are specific people I tend to call when I’m feeling that way – people who know me really well. There is some music that will help. Sometimes there’s music I can’t listen to when I feel myself going into a certain mood. When I was 20 or 21 I had banned myself from playing certain music when I felt I was going into depression or when I was feeling anxious. And it was hard because that was the first thing I wanted to do. “I’m depressed. I’m going to play some Red House Painters or Leonard Cohen.” I started to see a pattern and it would make me feel horrible so I’d ban myself.

Sometimes when I start to feel anxious I put on certain CDs that make me relax and then I can focus on that. I don’t do drugs recreationally anymore but I guess when my mom passed away and I felt anxious I started having one cigarette a day. I would go to work, come home and have that one cigarette. It’s really weird but that one thing I did every day was something through which I could get relief.

The only thing that trumps this picture of Manon is the Photoshopped picture of her surfing.

While not minimizing your mom’s passing, what else has happened to you that has caused the biggest impact in your life?

You’re right that my mom’s passing had a huge impact and not just because of her leaving but because of all the changes that came afterward. But when I was 17, I met a certain group of people. There was a guy named Mike and we dated for close to three years. I was 17 and he was 22. I was living in Winnipeg at the time and was fresh out of high school. He had a huge impact on my life. He was part of the underground indie scene. And I know people are like, “as if there’s an underground subculture in Winnipeg, Manitoba,” but there really is.

And to this day some of the most fascinating people I’ve ever met have been Winnipeggers. He and his friends were all artists: musicians, painters, and actors – it was crazy. It was this weird little world I got into. He introduced me to all these bands I had never heard of before, namely Red House Painters and Stereolab but even stuff like Legendary Pink Dots.

For a 17 year old it totally blew my mind. These people were really fascinating, with big personalities. I think I would have eventually met people but having met Mike and his friends at that age really showed me there is this other world than what is presented to you when you’re in high school. It really, really opened my eyes in an important way.

Name one thing about each of your sisters that you appreciate about them.

The four of us are very different individuals. I guess I’ll start with Julie. I think she’s a really interesting person, actually. Because she is six years older than me I didn’t feel very close to her when I was younger. I loved her and cared about her but it was sort of from afar. She was a quiet, reserved person when we were growing up.

I only got to know her when I was in my twenties. When I got to know her she opened up my horizons as well. She was the first person who took me to the ByTowne Theater. It’s my favorite theater ever. Even living in Montreal there’s nothing like it. I remember I was 16. This is my first real memory of bonding with my sister.

I was doing some sort of student exchange in a rural, small town in Quebec. For March break I took a train down to Ottawa, which is where she was living at the time. She took me to the ByTowne to see my first independent film. It was “Heavenly Creatures.” At that point I hadn’t seen any indie movies. We didn’t watch much TV at my house either. That really opened something up to me and I felt like I could talk to her and I felt like I could go to her for big sister advice.

What about Adèle?

We lived together when I was 19 or 20. Very briefly. We didn’t really like each other. I think she thought I was this annoying, snotty kid and I thought she was this more traditional, consumerist, superficial person. I went through a really tough break up at one point and she and I started going to the gym together. That was the one and only time I went to the gym on a regular basis. And we really bonded.

What I appreciate about Adèle is how comfortable she makes me feel around her. She’s so open and not judgmental with me. She is funny – hilarious actually. She missed her calling working for Saturday Night Live. It’s a shame. We have very different lives but I still feel like she hasn’t lost herself. She feels like home to me.

And what about Camille?

That’s complicated. What do you say about your twin? Camille is extremely insightful. She’s fascinating. She’s magical and I feel safe with her. But she also is very funny. I appreciate she is my twin sister. I wouldn’t want anybody else.

Are there any twin jokes or clichés that you’re tired of hearing?

One thing that was really annoying growing up is that we were always “the twins.” It’s like we were not separate personalities. Even to this day I have some relatives who have known me my whole life and still say, “I don’t know who is who,” and it’s like, “Fuck you!” I mean, come on. There was a period of time where Camille had bleached blonde hair and I have dark hair and you still don’t know who we are?

We got a lot of dumb questions when we were doing the Pop Life exhibit at the National Gallery this past summer. We got a lot of those ESP bullshit questions. Like, “when she feels pain, do you know it?” Occasionally you get the stupid guy who has some weird twin fantasy and I’m like, “I’m sorry, would you want to be fantasized about with your brother or sister? I didn’t think so.” It’s gross.

How did that Damien Hirst exhibit come about?

Camille is the one that convinced me to do it. Someone she knew got wind of the exhibit at the gallery and they were asking twins to send in photos to see if we could be accepted. So we took photos, sent them in and were accepted.

Manon (left) & Camille‘s Pop Life submission photo

What’s something you used to believe in that you don’t believe anymore?

Uh, God?

You used to believe in God?

Yeah, when I was a kid, of course. They really tried hard to beat religion into my head. I was a choirgirl, went to Catholic school and attended church regularly. I read from the Bible at church. But to this day I couldn’t tell you a single story. Like a lot of people I’ve realized it’s the Santa Claus for adults.

Who is your favorite Canadian Prime Minister?

You know, I’m sorry, but I’m a sucker for Pierre Trudeau. While I don’t agree with everything he did or said I think he was extremely charismatic. He did a whole lot for Canada and brought in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I think he represented Canada really well – both the Francophone and the Anglophone. I thought he had a real personality and was a real intellectual. He could hold his own. He seemed really passionate about it.

Are you allergic to anything?

I used to be allergic to tetanus shots. But apparently I’m not anymore. Sometimes I’m allergic to some cats and dogs but only when they lick my face and I really hate it when they lick my face. But otherwise, no.

When you feel stir crazy and like you need to get out of the city, where do you go?

Well, right now, being in Montreal, when I need to get out I go to Ottawa. The thing about Ottawa is that it’s a lot greener than Montreal. Even when I go visit my sister in Sandy Hill, just walking through that neighborhood there are lots of trees and it’s really residential and quiet but it’s not a suburb. So I’ll say Ottawa. It’s my little getaway now.

Dear Manon, welcome to Texas.

What’s something that is always guaranteed to make you laugh?

Well, I have a bit of a laughing problem. This started when I was a teenager and evidently I inherited this from my mother who had the same thing when she was a young girl. I laugh at really inappropriate moments like at funerals.

But when I have to order food in a restaurant I just start laughing when the waiter or waitress comes by and asks for my order. It was so bad for years that I had to tell friends or family that were with me what I wanted to order because it was almost a for sure thing I would start laughing uncontrollably when I was asked what I wanted to order. It’s not as bad now because I’ve learned to control it. There’s no reason why I’m laughing. I don’t know if it’s the over-formality of it or I find it really weird that some stranger is coming up to the table and asking me what I feel like eating currently. That’s something that I will probably never get over.

How old were you when you lost your virginity?

I was 21. I was a bit of a late-bloomer in that sense. That being said, I had a lot of experience before losing my virginity. I had some very interesting experiences. But for some reason I waited until I was 21. It wasn’t like I wanted to wait to find the right person, but I was really satisfied with the other stuff. I just figured I’d know when I was ready for it to happen and sure enough when it happened there was no special occasion. I just wanted to do it. It was a good experience for me.

Can you tell me about the book you wrote for NaNoWriMo?

It’s tentatively called “Nomad” and it’s unfinished to this day. It’s a book about the notion of home and what it means to a person at different parts of their life. I visit the protagonist when she is a kid and later on in life. And I also look at the transformation of our notion of home and the importance of it.

I think it’s interesting how human beings crave new experiences and adventure but we always want to feel like there’s something holding us back somehow; that there is something we can come back to. I think after the disintegration of my own family life I started questioning what the anchor was for me. Originally home to me meant my family and not only did my family disintegrate but we lost the home and I felt like I was floating. It’s a really weird feeling.

It’s also the exploration of memory and how it plays into that. While your memory is something that ties you back to certain experiences it’s also impossible that the memories are not skewed in some way. For instance, last night let’s say I was really sad and crying thinking about this or that and if I’m thinking about last night and being sad, I’ll never be able to get back there. I can try and describe it and go back there in my brain but it’s not the same. I might even forget that what I think is fact was something I was just feeling at the time but has been transformed in my brain. And that’s basically what I’m exploring in my book.

Well, I hope I can read it someday.

I hope you can too. But it’s pretty messy still and I have a full-time job and that’s too bad.

Tell me about your tattoos.

I have one on my leg, which is the artwork from Leonard Cohen’s The Future album. It’s a blue heart with a hummingbird flying away with handcuffs on the bottom of the heart. I got that tattoo when I was 21. That tattoo means a lot to me.

Leonard Cohen was a huge influence in my life. My parents had his book, Stranger Music. It’s a compilation of his poetry. My parents had bought it but I had never leafed through it. One day it was just lying on the coffee table and I was about 14 years old. I was reading through it but I didn’t know what a lot of it meant. It was written very strangely to me. It really changed something for me. I don’t know what that image means to Leonard Cohen in particular but to me it means the coexistence of truth, freedom and love, which I think is a hard thing to figure out how to get those three things to co-exist.

The other tattoo I have is my mom’s name in her own handwriting on my metaphorical heart. It’s on the left-hand side, not in the center. When we realized my mom was going to pass away and that there was no cure for her cancer I told her that my sisters and I wanted to get her name or something she had written to us tattooed on us. She could hardly hold a pen and she wrote her name on this piece of paper a million times in different sizes and in different ways. And she wrote these nice messages for us. It makes me feel like my mom has signed off on me and I’m officially hers.


Border Control

I’m working on a few pieces and it’s holiday time so for the next couple weeks I’ll be posting things I wrote for previous issues that are now out of print.

Originally from issue #14, May 2008.

I have no idea how customs work. I’ve never been overseas and my previous crossings into Mexico and Canada were over land many years ago. This time I was flying into Canada. It was my first trip there in 10 years. The last time I was there was in my senior year of high school and I was taking an English class that was studying some plays that would be performed at the Stratford Theatre Festival. It was mainly Shakespeare but there were a few others we covered, too. It was an easy course: read some plays, write some papers, go to the festival, come home, and write some more papers. I would highly recommend the Festival. Hopefully your trip will involve less awkward teenage sexual tension than mine did.

This time I was flying Seattle to Toronto with a connection to Ottawa. I was going to visit my friend, Manon, who I met online many years ago when I was doing an online zine. I had done an interview with Mark Kozelek and she emailed me to tell me she liked it. We’ve kept in touch over the course of the past seven years but never had the chance to meet until now. This is something that many people find weird, but I’m used to meeting people in this way. It comes with doing zines, having an online journal and being on MySpace. It’s the age we live in I guess.

I was flying on Air Canada and let me say that is a kick ass airline. Each seat had a touch screen TV embedded into the back of the seat in front of yours with tons of movies (Classics, Canadian, French, Hollywood, etc.), music and the like. When I got on the plane, the flight attendants gave me a form that’s in both French and English. I wrote in my name, purpose of visit and any declarations (fruit, vegetables, weapons, alcohol, fireworks, small animals, etc.) I filled out the form on the plane and it seemed simple enough.

When I disembarked, we were shuttled to customs. A friendly airport employee directed me to the correct line. I stood there for about five minutes and finally reached the desk of the customs agent. I was at the far left of the lines. To my right were ten or twelve more queues like mine.

I handed the fairly cute customs agent my paper and my passport. She asked me the basic questions: What’s the purpose of your visit? How long are you staying in Canada? Where do babies come from? And so on. She placed a mark on my customs sheet and then told me to go ahead. I complimented her on her cool glasses (everybody likes getting those random compliments, right?) and she gave me an embarrassed “Thanks” and off I went.

There was a chrome railing and on the other side was the passageway to the terminals. But first I had to give my customs form to another person at the little gate which would let me through to the other side. The people in front of me showed their paper to the official and she waved them through. They then gave their papers to another customs official who was collecting them in a box. I showed my paper to the woman and she told me to go to a room to my right. Red flags started going up in my head. Thus began an extended period of profuse sweating that would abate only once I was on my connecting flight to Ottawa. I suppose the two heavy bags I was carrying and the puffy winter coat I was wearing weren’t helping things. Unsure of what I heard the customs agent say, I did my best polite white person version of “Whatchoo talkin’ ‘bout Willis?” For this particular instance, the role of Willis was being played by a female Canadian customs agent in her fifties.

I was reassured my destination was indeed this other room. I hauled the bags and my customs form and inside I felt as though I was in a bank. There was that lined path which never seems to have people in queue (as was the case here) so it made me wonder why it’s there and then there were a dozen or so booths with customs agents behind them. I stood in line and anxiously waited my turn to be called. It took about ten seconds and then a cute, dark-haired girl in her twenties, probably not much older than me, called me up.

If this whole process were a prepping session for a date, the portion I was now in would be the more in-depth Q&A. Some of the standard questions were asked again, but now I was thrown some new ones. How do you know Manon? (After this trip Manon and I decided we were just going to tell people we met through a mutual friend named Mark.) While I don’t find it strange to say I met people over the internet, I guess a customs agent might. Why are you visiting Manon? Can you give me her phone number? Where does she live? Uh, Ottawa. Duh. That’s why I’m flying there. Oh! You mean what part of town? I have no idea. I’ve never met her. I just told you that! Where does she work? Some non-profit that does environmental work. What kind of work? I don’t know.

At this point besides sweating in buckets, I began to kick myself for leaving my government ID at home. It was in my bag that morning but I decided I wasn’t going to need it so I laid it on my desk. I was sure it might help show the Canadians I wasn’t a terrorist. I was also thinking about how I had passed three security background checks related to my job: one for the federal government, one for the sub-contractor I was working for and another when I got promoted to the main contractor. I have looked at layouts of plants that handle chemicals and learned their security measures, I have seen confidential business information for companies and discussed confidential EPA legal documents but evidently getting to Ottawa was a big problem.

The customs woman asked me to have a seat as she went to call Manon. I looked around and realized for the first time that I was the only white person being questioned in the room. It appeared everyone else was either from India, Pakistan or South East Asia. I started to wonder if I was the token white person, like some sort of champion of a contest no one wanted to win. Customs agents were getting frustrated and seemed to be repeating themselves often. Mine called me back to her presence. “I couldn’t get a hold of Manon at either of the numbers you gave me.” Shit. “I left a message for her and I’m going to let you go ahead, but I want you to have her call me.” Can do. Does Canada have a Gestapo that is going to follow up on all this?

I took my bags and customs form and went out a different door than the one in which I entered. I walked out, turned a few corners and found myself at another checkpoint. There were other people there who gave a customs agent their forms. I have no idea where those people came from, as they hadn’t been with me in the interrogation room/bank. The agent took a look at my form and gave it back to me. “You need to go into the room to my right.” I did a nervous check in my head. “His right? Not my right. There’s no room to my right. So it’s my left. His right is my left. So I’m going into that room there. On his right.” And that’s where I went.

To say that the situation that unfolded before me was unique would be an understatement. As I went into the gigantic room, on my right was what can best be described as a dozen or so grocery checkout lanes, but with aluminum counters instead of the conveyor belts. I saw a large suitcase open, its’ contents strewn across the length of the counter. Clothes, toiletries and the like were displayed and two Asian men stood there while the customs agent looked over something on the computer at his station.

Before I could give the high-ceiling room more than a once over, I saw an Asian woman to my right with a cart filled with her luggage and she was talking on her cell phone. Suddenly a male customs agent came her way from behind his “check-out lane”.

“What did I just tell you?” he yelled at the woman. “Hmm? What did I tell you about talking on the phone? I said DO NOT talk on the phone! Now give me your phone and go sit over there until I call you.” The woman didn’t seem to be too freaked out – she took her cart of baggage over to some seats on my left. About the same time as I mumbled, “What the hell is going on here?” I heard a “Next!” and being the only person in line I knew that meant me.

I walked up to lane five and thankfully had ten items or less. In the fifteen feet to the lane I said to myself, “Just be friendly and act natural.” I placed my bags on the counter along with my heavy winter coat that by now I had taken off. I was still sweating a ridiculous amount, which has never done much to help prove one’s innocence. The customs agent was a physically imposing guy in his thirties with short brown hair and a goatee. To continue the dating analogy, if the previous segment of questions had been a more in-depth Q&A, this part would be the equivalent of the dad or older brother grilling you.

I smiled and said hello in as friendly a manner as I could. He seemed unfazed. He asked me for my passport and my customs paper. The same types of questions were asked. The problem comes when I’m asked, “How do you know her?” Through work. (Meaning my old zine.) “What work?” Oh, I ran an online magazine and she wrote me about an article I did and we’ve been in touch ever since. “But you’ve never met in person?” Nope. “What was the name of the magazine?” What? “The magazine you did, what was it called?” It was at this point in my mind I said, “Ahh, shit.” Um, Action Attack Helicopter. Shit shit shit. His eyes lit up a bit, at least more than from anything else I’d said up to that point. “What does that mean?” I don’t know. “Why don’t you know?” I didn’t come up with the name. I really wanted to start getting snarky at this point but decided against it. I mean, I’d already done nothing and felt like I was on the verge of rendition so I decided to be straight with the man, although I must admit I was getting a little impatient. I only had an hour layover before my flight to Ottawa left. I now had less than 30 minutes until that point. “Who came up with the name?” My partner. “What did he say it means?”  I don’t know. He never told me. (Which is actually the truth. I kind of liked the mystery of it all, so I never asked him.) “Why are you so nervous?” I realized later this was probably just a standard question to try and catch people off-guard but my thought at the time was, “What the fuck?!” Well, I have a connection to catch and I wasn’t expecting this. I don’t think I need to describe how sweaty I was at this point.

He looked at the form and the passport. He placed the latter on to the counter and takes the form while he mumbles something. I’m sorry, what did you say? “You can leave.” I suddenly felt like the owner of a Chinese restaurant who thanks you a million times for visiting while you’re on your way out. I grabbed all my stuff and left. The strange thing? He never opened my bags or even mentioned them.

As I was leaving, I walked by an aisle where a white European male was getting railed on by a customs agent. All I heard as I walked by was the agent saying, “Go ahead, keep talking. Every time you open your mouth the fine is going up.” In my head I chuckled. Enjoy your rendition to some shit prison in Bulgaria via the United States, buddy. Having given up my customs form, I am pretty sure I was in the clear. I just had one more hurdle: the metal detectors. I went right through with no hassles and made it to my gate as they made a final boarding call.

When I got to Ottawa I finally met up with Manon at the airport. We hugged as I said, “Hi!” and then the second thing out of my mouth was, “You need to call Canadian customs.” Yeah, it’s good to finally meet you, too. I explained to her the story and she checked her home voicemail from her cell phone. Nothing. There was a call on her cell phone from a Toronto area code but no message had been left. She called the number and it was a general number for customs in Toronto. She explained things and they told her that unless she had a name and extension they couldn’t help her. Thus, the agent had lied to me.

I understood the agents were just doing their jobs. But I still had no idea why I had been picked out. I wasn’t sure how the customs agents would act when I wanted back in the States. Like I said, I had no idea how customs worked. After a few days in Ottawa, I found myself back at the airport. When I went through customs back to the US, I actually had to talk to an American customs agent who is stationed in his little booth surrounded by American flags.

I was braced for the worst. I had my tickets for my flight to Detroit that would then take me to South Bend to see my parents. I gave the agent my passport. He was very friendly and asked me the basic questions: did I buy any fruits or vegetables; did I make any purchases, etc.? To the last question I responded, “Just some food. But I’m not bringing it with me. I just purchased food. At a restaurant. And I ate it there. At the restaurant. I don’t have it with me now.” I smiled awkwardly. And the sweating began. The agent grins, stamps my passport and wishes me a good trip. What? No Guantanamo because I accidentally suggested I had brought food with me? Wow. Thanks America!

I met my parents later that night at the airport. I told them the story and how neither I nor anyone I told the story to in Canada could figure out why they had pulled me aside. With no hesitation and practically at the same time they said, “You had a one way ticket. It probably looked to them like you were going to Canada and never leaving.” I slapped myself on the forehead. Of course! If they had just asked, I could’ve shown the customs agents my itinerary printout for my trip to Indiana. But they never asked and I hadn’t the faintest notion it would be relevant. Like I said, I have no idea how customs work.

But at least I got this great picture from the top of Parliament.


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