Manon and I owe our friendship to Mark Kozelek of Red House Painters and Sun Kil Moon fame.
Years ago (it’s actually been almost ten years now) I did an interview with Mr. Kozelek for an online zine I helped run. Manon emailed me and told me that she liked it and we struck up a correspondence that has lasted o’er these many years. And after way too many years we finally were able to spend time together in Ottawa and again recently in Montreal. I am happy to report that she is just as sweet in person as she was for all those years via our many emails, phone calls and letters.
Manon sent me this picture of herself many, many years ago.
What’s the worst experience you’ve ever had on drugs?
I was 19 and I was a bit of a raver. I was at a rave in Montreal and I’d never tried mushrooms before and I had taken a little bit and didn’t feel anything. So, then I took more. That was a big mistake. I remember I had met this guy and I had taken this second dose of mushrooms and was waiting for something to happen. Then, all the sudden I realized I was in it and to me it sounds like this guy is asking me the same question over and over again which is making me feel kind of crazy. I couldn’t tell if it was him or if it was me. I started feeling claustrophobic and I had no focus or control.
So I left with some of my friends who were also high and all I remember is this feeling of craziness. I don’t know if that’s how crazy people feel permanently and if they do then my sympathies because it feels awful. I was sitting in this diner and people were ordering fries and I didn’t understand. I couldn’t even open my mouth. What was most frightening about it was that it was never-ending. It was a feeling that wasn’t passing. It felt like I was caught in a state of being and I couldn’t get out of it.
So, when it comes to feeling frenzied or anxious (and not related to being on drugs), what calms you down?
There are specific people I tend to call when I’m feeling that way – people who know me really well. There is some music that will help. Sometimes there’s music I can’t listen to when I feel myself going into a certain mood. When I was 20 or 21 I had banned myself from playing certain music when I felt I was going into depression or when I was feeling anxious. And it was hard because that was the first thing I wanted to do. “I’m depressed. I’m going to play some Red House Painters or Leonard Cohen.” I started to see a pattern and it would make me feel horrible so I’d ban myself.
Sometimes when I start to feel anxious I put on certain CDs that make me relax and then I can focus on that. I don’t do drugs recreationally anymore but I guess when my mom passed away and I felt anxious I started having one cigarette a day. I would go to work, come home and have that one cigarette. It’s really weird but that one thing I did every day was something through which I could get relief.
The only thing that trumps this picture of Manon is the Photoshopped picture of her surfing.
While not minimizing your mom’s passing, what else has happened to you that has caused the biggest impact in your life?
You’re right that my mom’s passing had a huge impact and not just because of her leaving but because of all the changes that came afterward. But when I was 17, I met a certain group of people. There was a guy named Mike and we dated for close to three years. I was 17 and he was 22. I was living in Winnipeg at the time and was fresh out of high school. He had a huge impact on my life. He was part of the underground indie scene. And I know people are like, “as if there’s an underground subculture in Winnipeg, Manitoba,” but there really is.
And to this day some of the most fascinating people I’ve ever met have been Winnipeggers. He and his friends were all artists: musicians, painters, and actors – it was crazy. It was this weird little world I got into. He introduced me to all these bands I had never heard of before, namely Red House Painters and Stereolab but even stuff like Legendary Pink Dots.
For a 17 year old it totally blew my mind. These people were really fascinating, with big personalities. I think I would have eventually met people but having met Mike and his friends at that age really showed me there is this other world than what is presented to you when you’re in high school. It really, really opened my eyes in an important way.
Name one thing about each of your sisters that you appreciate about them.
The four of us are very different individuals. I guess I’ll start with Julie. I think she’s a really interesting person, actually. Because she is six years older than me I didn’t feel very close to her when I was younger. I loved her and cared about her but it was sort of from afar. She was a quiet, reserved person when we were growing up.
I only got to know her when I was in my twenties. When I got to know her she opened up my horizons as well. She was the first person who took me to the ByTowne Theater. It’s my favorite theater ever. Even living in Montreal there’s nothing like it. I remember I was 16. This is my first real memory of bonding with my sister.
I was doing some sort of student exchange in a rural, small town in Quebec. For March break I took a train down to Ottawa, which is where she was living at the time. She took me to the ByTowne to see my first independent film. It was “Heavenly Creatures.” At that point I hadn’t seen any indie movies. We didn’t watch much TV at my house either. That really opened something up to me and I felt like I could talk to her and I felt like I could go to her for big sister advice.
What about Adèle?
We lived together when I was 19 or 20. Very briefly. We didn’t really like each other. I think she thought I was this annoying, snotty kid and I thought she was this more traditional, consumerist, superficial person. I went through a really tough break up at one point and she and I started going to the gym together. That was the one and only time I went to the gym on a regular basis. And we really bonded.
What I appreciate about Adèle is how comfortable she makes me feel around her. She’s so open and not judgmental with me. She is funny – hilarious actually. She missed her calling working for Saturday Night Live. It’s a shame. We have very different lives but I still feel like she hasn’t lost herself. She feels like home to me.
And what about Camille?
That’s complicated. What do you say about your twin? Camille is extremely insightful. She’s fascinating. She’s magical and I feel safe with her. But she also is very funny. I appreciate she is my twin sister. I wouldn’t want anybody else.
Are there any twin jokes or clichés that you’re tired of hearing?
One thing that was really annoying growing up is that we were always “the twins.” It’s like we were not separate personalities. Even to this day I have some relatives who have known me my whole life and still say, “I don’t know who is who,” and it’s like, “Fuck you!” I mean, come on. There was a period of time where Camille had bleached blonde hair and I have dark hair and you still don’t know who we are?
We got a lot of dumb questions when we were doing the Pop Life exhibit at the National Gallery this past summer. We got a lot of those ESP bullshit questions. Like, “when she feels pain, do you know it?” Occasionally you get the stupid guy who has some weird twin fantasy and I’m like, “I’m sorry, would you want to be fantasized about with your brother or sister? I didn’t think so.” It’s gross.
How did that Damien Hirst exhibit come about?
Camille is the one that convinced me to do it. Someone she knew got wind of the exhibit at the gallery and they were asking twins to send in photos to see if we could be accepted. So we took photos, sent them in and were accepted.
Manon (left) & Camille‘s Pop Life submission photo
What’s something you used to believe in that you don’t believe anymore?
Uh, God?
You used to believe in God?
Yeah, when I was a kid, of course. They really tried hard to beat religion into my head. I was a choirgirl, went to Catholic school and attended church regularly. I read from the Bible at church. But to this day I couldn’t tell you a single story. Like a lot of people I’ve realized it’s the Santa Claus for adults.
Who is your favorite Canadian Prime Minister?
You know, I’m sorry, but I’m a sucker for Pierre Trudeau. While I don’t agree with everything he did or said I think he was extremely charismatic. He did a whole lot for Canada and brought in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I think he represented Canada really well – both the Francophone and the Anglophone. I thought he had a real personality and was a real intellectual. He could hold his own. He seemed really passionate about it.
Are you allergic to anything?
I used to be allergic to tetanus shots. But apparently I’m not anymore. Sometimes I’m allergic to some cats and dogs but only when they lick my face and I really hate it when they lick my face. But otherwise, no.
When you feel stir crazy and like you need to get out of the city, where do you go?
Well, right now, being in Montreal, when I need to get out I go to Ottawa. The thing about Ottawa is that it’s a lot greener than Montreal. Even when I go visit my sister in Sandy Hill, just walking through that neighborhood there are lots of trees and it’s really residential and quiet but it’s not a suburb. So I’ll say Ottawa. It’s my little getaway now.
What’s something that is always guaranteed to make you laugh?
Well, I have a bit of a laughing problem. This started when I was a teenager and evidently I inherited this from my mother who had the same thing when she was a young girl. I laugh at really inappropriate moments like at funerals.
But when I have to order food in a restaurant I just start laughing when the waiter or waitress comes by and asks for my order. It was so bad for years that I had to tell friends or family that were with me what I wanted to order because it was almost a for sure thing I would start laughing uncontrollably when I was asked what I wanted to order. It’s not as bad now because I’ve learned to control it. There’s no reason why I’m laughing. I don’t know if it’s the over-formality of it or I find it really weird that some stranger is coming up to the table and asking me what I feel like eating currently. That’s something that I will probably never get over.
How old were you when you lost your virginity?
I was 21. I was a bit of a late-bloomer in that sense. That being said, I had a lot of experience before losing my virginity. I had some very interesting experiences. But for some reason I waited until I was 21. It wasn’t like I wanted to wait to find the right person, but I was really satisfied with the other stuff. I just figured I’d know when I was ready for it to happen and sure enough when it happened there was no special occasion. I just wanted to do it. It was a good experience for me.
Can you tell me about the book you wrote for NaNoWriMo?
It’s tentatively called “Nomad” and it’s unfinished to this day. It’s a book about the notion of home and what it means to a person at different parts of their life. I visit the protagonist when she is a kid and later on in life. And I also look at the transformation of our notion of home and the importance of it.
I think it’s interesting how human beings crave new experiences and adventure but we always want to feel like there’s something holding us back somehow; that there is something we can come back to. I think after the disintegration of my own family life I started questioning what the anchor was for me. Originally home to me meant my family and not only did my family disintegrate but we lost the home and I felt like I was floating. It’s a really weird feeling.
It’s also the exploration of memory and how it plays into that. While your memory is something that ties you back to certain experiences it’s also impossible that the memories are not skewed in some way. For instance, last night let’s say I was really sad and crying thinking about this or that and if I’m thinking about last night and being sad, I’ll never be able to get back there. I can try and describe it and go back there in my brain but it’s not the same. I might even forget that what I think is fact was something I was just feeling at the time but has been transformed in my brain. And that’s basically what I’m exploring in my book.
Well, I hope I can read it someday.
I hope you can too. But it’s pretty messy still and I have a full-time job and that’s too bad.
Tell me about your tattoos.
I have one on my leg, which is the artwork from Leonard Cohen’s The Future album. It’s a blue heart with a hummingbird flying away with handcuffs on the bottom of the heart. I got that tattoo when I was 21. That tattoo means a lot to me.
Leonard Cohen was a huge influence in my life. My parents had his book, Stranger Music. It’s a compilation of his poetry. My parents had bought it but I had never leafed through it. One day it was just lying on the coffee table and I was about 14 years old. I was reading through it but I didn’t know what a lot of it meant. It was written very strangely to me. It really changed something for me. I don’t know what that image means to Leonard Cohen in particular but to me it means the coexistence of truth, freedom and love, which I think is a hard thing to figure out how to get those three things to co-exist.
The other tattoo I have is my mom’s name in her own handwriting on my metaphorical heart. It’s on the left-hand side, not in the center. When we realized my mom was going to pass away and that there was no cure for her cancer I told her that my sisters and I wanted to get her name or something she had written to us tattooed on us. She could hardly hold a pen and she wrote her name on this piece of paper a million times in different sizes and in different ways. And she wrote these nice messages for us. It makes me feel like my mom has signed off on me and I’m officially hers.



